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Hosts offering "Vanilla hosting" already...

3stripe3stripe ✭✭
edited July 2006 in Vanilla 1.0 Help
Just noticed from my stats that someone was googling for these... and found http://www.siteground.com/vanilla-hosting.htm What else have you seen on your travels?

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    hahahahaahhahaah. 24gig of space and 800gig of transfer for $5 a month? Good luck to em. I'm up for abusing that...
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    3stripe3stripe ✭✭
    edited July 2006
    No bad eh? I forgot to mention of course the upcoming service from Lusumo at http://vanillaforums.com/, and the estranged rival at http://vanillahost.com/
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    i have used siteground before. they have good service as well. i also enjoy site5.com
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    edited July 2006
    It's a small world. That could have been me the other day, you were the the ninth result so I gave you a click (I was logged into my G account though so the results may be different). I was looking for Vanilla hosts after reading Mark's blog post.

    Also, some hosts are offering Vanilla as an included script in their service.
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    You know what ... I really think in this situation these companies that are making money off Mark's code ... really should be paying a commercial license. Yes it's great to get the NAME out there and people using it, but come on .. .mark has spent HOW long writing this - and gotten what (okay the community got him a laptop!!) ... now vanillahost.com is going to be making money and Mark's getting nadda That' sucks ... that really REALLY sucks
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    i do agree. Mark's vanilla script shoud not be available for others to make money off the back off. They should need a license per user - even if it is a small fee per user. Fair is fair.
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    edited July 2006
    I completely disagree.

    These companies aren't selling Mark's code; his code is available here for free. They're selling hosting costs (hardware, bandwidth, etc.) and service (installation).

    I can go to any host that supports PHP and MySQL, buy a hosting plan, and install Vanilla. Nothing unethical about that. All they're doing is automating the process, and saving me work. From Mark's perspective, the two scenarios are identical.

    Now he does have a legitimate claim to outrage if they're misusing Lussumo trademarks/logos, or if they imply that Vanilla is their own exclusive in-house proprietary software, but neither of those are "making money off of free code" issues.
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    blizeHblizeH ✭✭
    ^^
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    edited July 2006
    It's funny, i was reading an article from the CEO of oracle software the other day discussing opensource software. He made the very interesting point that money to be made on opensource software would be done so through support. He was commenting how he could take some software (i believe it was redhat linux but i'm not sure) and make more money on it than the creators by offering better support than the [redhat] team. It's a cruel world out there. I dont really find any problems, however, in hosts offering auto-installation of the vanilla script. That was guaranteed to happen and I really dont see how as it can cause harm to the software. If people want the top support, though, they know the man to go to. I do think, though, that the big fish world is different to the little fish world. For people to be 'competing' against a single guy like Mark has different ethical issues imo. I wish i still had that article...
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    Hmm, I don't think there sales people are the brightest in the world Me: "Can I host a file sharing service like Sendspace.com?" Them: "can you please give more information about this sendspace.com?"
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    bergamot, normally i would totally agree with you. Open source is open source, and people can go on to use it as they like. But like minisweeper says, it just doesn't seem fair on a single person operation, like Mark's is. I get the feeling that Mark was caught between two stools from the outset - he maybe didn't know what he really wanted from his script. I said in his swell blog recently that I feel the angle to make money from this, is for him to offer contracted work - be it installation and/or ongoing support. I think that that is where the money coud be at for him. Medium to large website operations would pay good money to have the support services of the coder of vanilla, working on any of their problems. If Mark doesn't go that route, he may look at offering a lite version to the open source community; and keeping the best version for commerical license.
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    Yeah bergamont you are right ... I guess what I really should have been saying is that companies like http://vanillahost.com who are building their business model around Vanilla should be at least helping to fund development
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    edited July 2006
    It's really hard to instantiate a business model after you're software is released and popular. I fall into that trap often in my development. I get more enjoyment out of writing code than writing contracts and I tend to ignore the business angle of some of my projects. I can't speak for Mark, but I'll bet he struggles with that too (most good programmers do).
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