lussumo as wiki

Toivo

I am half through with all the comments that mention 'wiki' in this forum. But there is'nt anybody who says that lussumo vanilla could\should be used as wiki so far. well, let's define wiki as wiki says A wiki (IPA: [ˈwiː.kiː] <wee-kee> or [ˈwɪ.kiː] <wick-ey>[1]) is a type of website that allows users to easily add, remove, or otherwise edit and change most available content, sometimes without the need for registration. This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for collaborative writing. The term wiki can also refer to the collaborative software itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a website (see wiki software) If you take a look at the features list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software ... all modern software have these kind of features. Version control is somehow unique to wikis but usually it just creates unreadable gibberish marked with red and bold. This if from the wikipedia reader point of view. As I have created small wiki for myself to keep notes these 'versions' did'nt help me a bit as a owner. so, what is the difference between blogs, forums and wikis?

Bergamot

The main difference is that wikis keep a running history of what changes were made, by who, when. Vanilla just accepts the changes and adds a little "edited" tag. The "editing history" functionality actually would be a nice thing for Vanilla to have anyway, to prevent people from saying offensive things and then removing the evidence. Might make a good extension.

Toivo

I just wondered why troubleshooting and faq are using wiki. mark, eat your own dogfood vanilla cream & use lussumo for everything

Toivo

Some very good uses for wiki. I admire these & use very often Ease of page creation. Just enter keyword and new page is created yourwiki.com/keyword ...or you could enter [keyword] inside the text and edit it later Namespaces are also excellent.

Minisweeper

Why use a mallet when you could use a hammer? A wiki is ideal for creating documentation. How often do discussions come about from instructions?

Toivo

#questions& answers. ask something that is not clear to you. it might turn out as addition to the main post\article.
#polls. from the current GWbush wiki "*Major* *progress* was achieved in Iraq *immediately* following Bush's re-election, with *large* turnouts during elections in January and December 2005" Is it a fact or slanted interpretation? Actually I am amazed that this wiki paged is quite neutral

well. one could plug all sorts of things to vanilla. it's tempting.

Toivo

actually what happens when I click on the 'edit' and some moderator clicks 'edit' for the same post. whose changes will win? the other is blocked?

Wanderer

Surely when someone edits a post, it is in a locked state so it cannot be opened twice?

WallPhone

I doubt there is any sophisticated message locking in Vanilla. I bet whomever commits last wins.

bdude

Since Mark uses DokuWiki, maybe he could write an authorisation system for Dokuwiki/Vanilla

spinsaround

Ok here's what I'm thinking. When you have a community you get neat ideas crystallising, and it's good to have a place to pull those ideas out of the disussions into some kind of collaborative 'book'. (Personally I think a structured/hierarchic wiki is really useful, which is why I'm dropping in the idea of a 'book' more than a wiki) The key requirements for that book are: - exportable - version control - comments on each page - access control (if you have them associated with the category, I think that covers access control nicely) - search - add file attachments to anything - an easy way to place images in the pages The mediawiki extension is a great idea and does 95% of this, but the inability to deny read permissions for each role is a showstopper for what I have in mind. Does anyone else have a similar need? Or ideas how it could be achieved?

Toivo

mindyou, mediawiki integration "inability to deny read permissions for each role is a showstopper for what I have in mind. " for what purpose? could you describe the situation? like in some class, for pupils & for teachers?

spinsaround

Yep - almost exactly that in fact - people providing training, and those being trained. This is part of the reason why the idea of 'books' appeals so much, since they're discrete packages..

Toivo

"Does anyone else have a similar need? Or ideas how it could be achieved?" just set up 2 wikis with different permissions?

spinsaround

more thoughts: search and permissions should integrate with vanilla (ie return results from 'books' you have permission to see)

russlipton

It's funky but TiddlyWiki is an extraordinarily innovative, elegant app in the spirit of Vanilla. There are many dozens of plugins that have been added to an elegant core. The current beta version (2.1) will be a big-step forward (metadata support, etc). I'm not sure what pulling things out of Vanilla discussions would look like but TiddlyWiki could easily sustain the book concept above, I believe.

(Also check out the activity on the community's development group)

corn13read

I am wondering if there is a way to integrate a wiki as a profile page for my users kind of like a myspace... I've been wanting to do this forever it seems.

Toivo

"wiki as a profile page for my users kind of like a myspace.." hmmm, I havent created account on myspace but this one makes me curious. ..... how have they done it?

Pogo

WIki-like posts, communally editable, would be a great and simple addition to Vanilla. Just a matter of a new value for editing permission. Things like dictionaries and bug lists - currently need a maintainer, only because contributors can't access the list.