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Who has experience with MediaWiki? (RE: Documentation)

MarkMark Vanilla Staff
edited July 2005 in Vanilla 1.0 Help
I've just set it up on my server, and I want to copy over the documentation I've currently got at, but I haven't got the faintest idea how to use this thing. Talk about a confusing app. I'm sure once I've been using it a while I'll love all of the features, but right now I just want to delete it.


  • I've editted a page before, and thats about it. I'm definately willing to help if I can, I did suggest having a wiki after all
  • I've edited pages on WIkipedia. Tried to install it once and found it maddening to get running on WinXP.

  • You could just go with Vanilla:
  • the most basic interfacing problem I had with it is that there is no "new page" button anywhere to be found. You actually create a new page simply by creating a link to something that doesn't exist yet. Then when you follow that link it will say "There is no text on this page yet" and you can edit. It took me a while to figure that out, though.
  • Mark,

    I guessed the wiki URL and tried to get you started a bit (hope you don't mind). I was mainly just copying and pasting stuff to let you see how to put things in the wiki. I'm not all that experienced, but this should get things stumbling out of the gates.

    Search for "vanilla documentation" on the wiki and you'll see what I did. I would link to it, but not sure if you want everyone going there yet.

  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    edited July 2005
    brady - just go ahead and link it all up however you want - and thanks :) I'm aware of how wikis work in general (ie what unipus said about how to create a new page). What I'm not sure about is how to lock down individual pages from editing, how to set it up so that users must have an account before they can edit. How to prevent idiots from screwing up the site (ie. banning accounts or ips), and most other administrative type tasks.
  • Yeah, that's why I didn't link to it. Wiki's can be great if you have good maintainers or they can be a spam and maintenance nighmare. Unfortunately, I can't help w/ administrative how-tos on mediawiki. I guess you can either open it up to the world and see how clean it stays or wait until you can lock it down. I'll let you make the call (don't want to start a mess and leave it for ya).

  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    I'd like to get a basic structure for the wiki down, and then leave it open. Everyone here seems very supportive, and I'm sure all of us together can keep it in line :) I've got to learn to let go of the reigns a little bit, and this will be a perfect exercise for that.
  • unipusunipus New
    edited July 2005
    how to set it up so that users must have an account before they can edit.

    Okay, I went through that. You need to actually edit a few lines in the PHP:

    docs here

    edit: found a neat and obscure new bug!
  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    Oh wierd. I don't like that at all. Oh well.
  • yeah, it's definitely not software the general public can use... too much hacking involved. once you get it set up, though, I think you can pretty much just let it be
  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    that's the dream :)
  • Mark I have a feeling you might have a better time using DocuWiki, specificially made for....documentation!
  • edited July 2005
    I still think you should be using Wikka. None of that yukky MediaWiki bloat. ;)

    [Edit: Yeah, and Doku is pretty nice too. I'd choose either of those over MediaWiki.]
  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    Oh, I like the looks of that dokuwiki..... I downloaded some flavour of the wikka one before, but I found it a pain to template... this dokuwiki looks like it might have better templating support.
  • moemoe
    edited July 2005
    take a look at twiki, too.
    it's very old (read: mature) and doesn't need a sql db.

    or: write your own. it's pretty easy (you can prolly re-use a lot of your forum code) and the big advantage is that you don't get all the bloats of the established wikis.

    most of them are really, really, really, really bloated.
  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    edited July 2005
    re: wikka - ewww. I don't like the way they handle reversion
  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    I want to write my own, but I don't have time. Trying to learn my limits.
  • if you have PHP5 you could use TiddlyWikiRemote, or you could look up one of the other server-side TiddlyWiki derivatives.
  • MarkMark Vanilla Staff
    edited July 2005
    Ugghh. I dunno. I think I might just stick with mediawiki until I have time to write my own or customize someone elses. I just want to get the job done and stop wasting time.
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