This plugin is needed on this forum asap!!

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vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

I am not sue why someone has not thought about this before!! Thanks for thinking about it :)

@Todd @Lincoln , this would be extremely helpful , you know , with the millions of versions out there!! , all jokes aside... this would serve this forum extremely well.

If I can I would like to nominate this plugin to be used here as soon as possible Please !!

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  • ShadowdareShadowdare Moderator

    When it is their first ever post in which they never state their version or input their version in their profile settings in the first place, then we would have to tell them to go to their edit profile page; however, this will help people avoid getting asked for their version more than once if they forget to state it when necessary. Another solution would be to have a field or text reminders on the new discussion page for them to input their version number if needed.

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    UnderDoghgtonight
  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    Yes I remember everyone's version once they state it, but others don't and it gets tiresome to ask over and over .

    It should be mandatory to fill that in maybe from registration, I mean this is a support forum for this software and it would really help everyone, the user who need help and the helper.

    UnderDog
  • ShadowdareShadowdare Moderator

    Sounds like a good idea to have a required field on the new discussion page for the version as some people use more than one version for production, testing, or their clients, and also with an "N/A" option as well since not all discussions need to state the version.

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    peregrine
  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP
    edited July 2013

    yes I thought about the multi version aspect, the field can contain unlimited characters so just add all your versions separated by comas...

    It helps identify user groups, not including the multi version users, might be a good way to gain some idea of actual users of what version. At leads for those who come in. As a statistic value of some kind.

    for other potential uses for this plugin, if it's a gaming forum they can add their app name and version, or if it's a mobile forum, put the mobile device and version of OS

    UnderDog
  • R_JR_J Cheerleader & Troubleshooter Munich Moderator

    My plugin was kind of a joke made just for an exercise.

    If you consider questioning this information from the user when he asks, then you have to consider that the forum is also a reference for anybody who searches for already answered questions. So every question must contain the historical version number.

    Problem 1: a user might change the version info in his profile. If the version number is shown from there, it will always and everywhere show only the current version info. That is misleading.

    Problem 2: there are often users who use an existing discussion for posting a "Help, I've got the same problem, too" and you'd have to store their version info, too, if you want to keep the reference character of the forum.

    Asking users for their version info is a tedious work, but to my opinion, it is the best way to keep the answers traceable

    If that would be my problem

    1. I'd put a colored banner reminding the author to specify his vanilla version right above the discussion body in the new discussion view.
    2. Show the same banner below the comment entry field, but only if it is focused (this way someone who only reads the discussion is not distracted. Showing it below will keep the main part of the visible layout which I think is "nicer"...)
    3. I'd make the boxes display configurable on a per user base but give only not-newbies the rights to switch them off (that's to save my experienced forum users from this annoyances)


    aeryhgtonight
  • hgtonighthgtonight ∞ · New Moderator

    @R_J said:
    If you consider questioning this information from the user when he asks, then you have to consider that the forum is also a reference for anybody who searches for already answered questions. So every question must contain the historical version number.

    This is exactly my point. Even if I know @CharliePratt uses 2.0.18.8, other people won't in a year. Heck, I might not even remember in a week.

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  • @Shadowdare said:
    Sounds like a good idea to have a required field on the new discussion page for the version as some people use more than one version for production, testing, or their clients, and also with an "N/A" option as well since not all discussions need to state the version.

    I think this is the best solution. since profile things will get stale, unless the person updates, and then you get version 2.0.x.x. And after 10 replies. O, I'm sorry, i meant 2.1

    I may not provide the completed solution you might desire, but I do try to provide honest suggestions to help you solve your issue.

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP
    edited July 2013

    Problem 1: a user might change the version info in his profile. If the version number is shown from there, it will always and everywhere show only the current version info. That is misleading.

    I think that once a version is entered it is a permanent record and you can only add to the field. Or check the box with your version type of thing. And a tooltip showing them where to find it. Then that box once checked can't be unchecked. As you choose versions. I mean we are talking about small numbers here not millions of versions. It could be a multiple choice to check the version being used...somewhere it must be mandatory.

    Problem 2: there are often users who use an existing discussion for posting a "Help, I've got the same problem, too" and you'd have to store their version info, too, if you want to keep the reference character of the forum.

    The version can work as another part of the user profile info. At least going to their page would show what version if it did not appear next to their avatar in a discussion. It must be mandatory to have a version of some kind.

    Until the issue is no longer.

    Having it in the new discussion page should be at the very least , like shadowdare said.

    There will be a point where it won't matter everyone will have upgraded to 2.2 and the variations will be slight as compared to the transition now.

  • I think if you ask a question - you are starting a discussion.

    so you "own" that discussion and it relates to your version.

    me too questions (should usually start another discussion, especially if it is a different vanilla version or at least post their version #) otherwise it is assumed they have the same version as the OP.

    To me displaying version numbers in any comment is confusing and should not be shown.
    If you are replying to a discussion, one would hope you read the OP's post and therefore you would see the version #.

    putting it in the profile for historical reasons will just lead to more inaccurate useless data, and making it mandatory upon starting a new discussion is the way to go.

    But, of course - this is all a moot point if Todd or Lincoln or the powers to be don't see this as a need, because we would then be discussing how many angels can you fit on the top of a pin, which although good for debate, doesn't actually provide anything tangible.

    I may not provide the completed solution you might desire, but I do try to provide honest suggestions to help you solve your issue.

  • aeryaery Gtricks Forum in 2.2 :) ✭✭✭
    edited July 2013
  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    Yes that should be in red letters , it would be a start and does not require much effort to add text to the form. Good idea aery !

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    how many angels can you fit on the top of a pin

    How many? I would say none, coz there is no such thing right ??!!!

    peregrine
  • peregrineperegrine MVP
    edited July 2013

    I get it now! Aery.

    You are saying that people don't read and must be forced to read based on a mandatory version field :)

    obviously they don't read my signature, hgtonights signature, underdogs signature and vrjvlinder's signature which all have something related that would stop the ad-nauseum questions and replies related to missing information, and how to solve one thing or another.

    I may not provide the completed solution you might desire, but I do try to provide honest suggestions to help you solve your issue.

  • aeryaery Gtricks Forum in 2.2 :) ✭✭✭

    My point being - Users are stupid. They will never understand the importance of version numbers or searching first.

    So, they need to be reminded just before they are about to commit stupidity.

  • peregrineperegrine MVP
    edited July 2013

    so your point is exactly what i said in the first line, as Vrjivlinder would say "no?"

    people don't read and must be forced to read **based on a mandatory version field **

    I may not provide the completed solution you might desire, but I do try to provide honest suggestions to help you solve your issue.

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP
    edited July 2013

    and an error message "before you are about to commit stupidity"

    but come to think of it that message should be on everything ......

    They can change the version as they need based on post. Today it's 2.1.18.8 tomorrow is 3.9 the point is it helps to know the version they are currently asking about. So putting a version in every time would force them to do it and also force us to do it. Every time...

    I think the version on the profile is enough and they should have it on their title. For purposes of continuity. Maybe there is a way for old posts not to be updated with the new version they might use in the future so as to keep the content accurate. That might be the caveat.

    I think that if the requirement for the version is written in big red letters by the text field, it increases the odds for compliance.

  • @vrijvlinder said:
    How many? I would say none, coz there is no such thing right ??!!!

    I've got a pin right here in front of me and i see 30 maybe 31 angels. I don't know how many more could stand on it, without damaging a wing. But i I be there is room for a couple more at the very least.

    I may not provide the completed solution you might desire, but I do try to provide honest suggestions to help you solve your issue.

    vrijvlinder
  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP
    edited July 2013

    oh? ..... you better cut back on that Whiskey bottle lmao clearly what you saw was Elvis...

    http://www.ukfinearts.co.uk/willardwigan.html

    peregrine
  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP
    edited July 2013

    since nobody reads my links in my signature and some even think it is spam...maybe I will just post this pic every time, maybe you should too.

    image

    aery
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