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Dreamweaver vs GoLive

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  • Rowan LewisRowan Lewis
    CLRAdmin, and I get paid to fix websites made in FrontPage ;) Must be some kind of food chain.
  • a_ja_j
    TextMate FTW
  • ithcyithcy New
    edited August 2006
    i whistle raw ascii codes into my 150baud modem acoustic coupler
  • a_ja_j
    bahahaha

    isn't that called phracking?
  • pbearpbear New
    Bare Bones' TextWrangler — syntax-coloring+free

    Don't trust what the high-end programs will do when making the code.
  • ithcyithcy New
    it used to be called "phreaking", but that was years after i invented it
  • a_ja_j
    you invented that?!? A few months before I invented the internets (after I got back from 'nam) I remembered reading something about that in the FBI's new Counterterrorism Database (used my time machine).

    small world afterall.
  • ithcyithcy New
    edited August 2006
    hahaha no... i was funning

    //doh... i should read more
  • KrakKrak New
    ithcy wrotei whistle raw ascii codes into my 150baud modem acoustic coupler

    That made me laugh a good laugh. Thank you.
  • CLRAdminCLRAdmin
    Bet that's when the user used FrontPage for everything. :-) I hate that too. I recently redid a website that had been in FrontPage extensions. Bleh!

    Fortunately, I use my own template system that separates design from content.
  • bugsmi0bugsmi0
    frontpage use to be the shit, I loved how easy and userfriendly it was, that all changed when mans desire for more $$$ became a incurable thrist, we all know they can make great applications if they want to but their goal is to make $$ and that means shit software that you have to upgrade every 10 months, someone has to stop them lol
  • ithcyithcy New
    frontpage was always crap, and if you believe otherwise, you're deluding yourself.
    always. crap.
  • CLRAdminCLRAdmin
    So many biased opinions in this thread. :-)
  • bugsmi0bugsmi0
    Bias is your Friend
  • WandererWanderer
    Bias and opinions go hand in hand I think. As long as the bias/opinion comes from experience and can be supported by facts or reasonable anecdotes.

    Those who put down applications (either DW or GL) and insist they code using Notepad or BBEdit exclusively are, as we say in Australia "Dreaming!"

    I used to teach HTML using SimpleText (OS 9 Text Editor) before the days of CSS, DHTML, JavaScript etc. but that was simply teaching concepts and the basic tags.

    If you really are coding real full-on web sites by hand in this day and age you either have too much time on your hands or are in the wrong industry! I simply don't believe it.
  • bugsmi0bugsmi0
    yea i tend to agree with Wanderer errr on this one, the technology available for mac alone is unfraken believable its all push button baby, point and click but the developer creating those apps still has to hand code the dam thing but even then he has some tools handy that make his job easier.
  • NickENickE New
    >Those who put down applications (either DW or GL) and insist they code using Notepad or BBEdit exclusively are, as we say in Australia "Dreaming!" I beg to differ. It really dosn't take that long a time to put together a page in Notepad or an equivelent, especially when you've got easy access to a CSS reference and already have the general design planned out (eg. made a mockup in photoshop). One will also have a more intimate knowledge of the html heirarchy, making it easier to edit (by hand) later on. Furthermore, as most sites now-a-days are dynamic, chances are all the designer has to do is make a template rather than multiple static html files. What could take a while, however, is figuring out how to make it accessable to IE, but that's definitely not the fault of a progression of web standards.
  • Rowan LewisRowan Lewis
    "If you really are coding real full-on web sites by hand in this day and age you either have too much time on your hands or are in the wrong industry! I simply don't believe it." I'd have have said the exact opposite, you're wasting your time with a product that has a weak understanding of semantics, produces bloated, poorly written code, while I'm here writing things in GEdit or Geany in about the same time with end results a hundred times better :P
  • fireundubhfireundubh New
    The attitude that disdains the use of tools can be likened to the attitude that disdains the use of calculators. Humans invented tools to reduce complexity and to get things done. There's no sense in disregarding tools. You just have to know when to use them.
  • WandererWanderer
    What is being called bloated code is the application taking into account the many possibilities and variations in platform/browser/screen res/etc combinations.

    This is not bloat, it is necessary. Sure some of the JavaScript could be better optimised but application smarts can only go so far, code snippets are designed to work in general for many uses not specifically for each particular case.

    I spend my time working with the client so things look the way they want. A few extra kb of code is not visible to them.

    I still don't believe anyone does serious, commercial full scale web sites by hand without the assistance of an application. Even if you could, if you had the skills, why on earth would you?

    It's like going back to Letraset in desktop publishing!
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