Quote: [-Stash-] Wanderer's "quote system" isn't semantically correct: Hey [-Stash-], it woiks don't it? I have a quick-key set up to do it, I copy what I want in the quote, the script wraps the code around it and pastes the whole thing into the comment box for me.
Quote: blizeH As much as I find him irritating, I really do like Wanderer's quote system (much more than his ridiculous timestamp at least!) Why ridiculous? If you see I'm posting late at night and all of a sudden I stop, it's probably 'cos I went to bed. By the way, I love you too.
Posted: Thursday, 1 February 2007 at 8:57AM (AEDT)
Then again, Stash wasn't commenting on whether or not it looked good. I think Stash prefers a semantically correct quoting markup, and that's why he spent some time on constructing a semantically correct markup with styles to go with it.
I wasn't commenting on whether or not it looked good either, just that it worked, in all browsers. I tried a CSS version of it, looked different in IE and stuffed up in Opera where my "semantically in-correct" version is universally interpreted, as far as I've tested it at least.
And what's incorrect about it? Except it's not inside a form tag? (Which is easily fixed if not redundant.)
Horses for courses folks.
Posted: Thursday, 1 February 2007 at 9:56AM (AEDT)
Semantic correctness is apparently something that Stash values, that's all I'm saying. Your solution is semantically incorrect exactly for the reasons you pointed out yourself, a fieldset is for grouping related elements inside a form.
Wanderer, you can use whatever you like, I'm not saying you're wrong to use what you use, I just personally prefer semantically correct markup. I've been known to fudge stuff once in a while myself, but I usually try and fix it up later (usually cursing that I didn't spend a few minutes more the first time round).
Look at it this way perhaps: semantic markup for code is like accurate grammar for writing/speaking
Quote: [-Stash-] just personally prefer semantically correct markup...semantic markup for code is like accurate grammar for writing/speaking. OK, you got my attention, why is it wrong semantically? I too am a stickler for correct usage (in case you hadn't noticed :-) If I put it inside form tags does that make it right? Are there any situations where it would not work or break something? Or is it that it's intention is to group form elements and I'm not using it for that?
Tom, if you want to be 100% correct it's [-Stash-], but pretty much any variant works. Of course, if you use all caps I'll think you're shouting at me
Wanderer, blizeH's right. You are quoting someone, and that's what the <blockquote></blockquote> and <q></q> tags are here for. They infer meaning to what they are wrapped around, and in this case, they're telling us that the content within them is a quote. A form on the other hand is usually something you can pick options from or input data into, not just a pretty way of displaying a quote
For people who can see, it's not a problem, but I have no idea what a screen reader would make of your quote. For all I know it might say, "NEW FORM, this is the quote from someone. END OF FORM". Which, while not the end of the world, might at least temporarily confuse someone Whereas with my example, it would say something like "QUOTE, this is the quote from someone. QUOTE" which would make perfect sense.
Quote: blizeH It might have something to do with the fact you're using fieldsets instead of blockquote, but I'm probably wrong.
No I think you are right, I hope this addresses all issues and makes things more correct. I didn't even think of screen readers and accessibility for impaired readers. We live and learn.
Posted: Saturday, 3 February 2007 at 1:12PM (AEDT)
@ Dinoboff: Yes, I'm using that patch. And I'm sorry, I haven't checked various verions of IE. Obviously the problem occurs in IE7. In IE6 AjaxQuote seems to work.
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Hey [-Stash-], it woiks don't it?
I have a quick-key set up to do it, I copy what I want in the quote, the script wraps the code around it and pastes the whole thing into the comment box for me.
Quote: blizeH As much as I find him irritating, I really do like Wanderer's quote system (much more than his ridiculous timestamp at least!)
Why ridiculous? If you see I'm posting late at night and all of a sudden I stop, it's probably 'cos I went to bed.
By the way, I love you too.
Posted: Thursday, 1 February 2007 at 8:57AM (AEDT)
I tried a CSS version of it, looked different in IE and stuffed up in Opera where my "semantically in-correct" version is universally interpreted, as far as I've tested it at least.
And what's incorrect about it? Except it's not inside a form tag? (Which is easily fixed if not redundant.)
Horses for courses folks.
Posted: Thursday, 1 February 2007 at 9:56AM (AEDT)
correct still a dud
Posted: Thursday, 1 February 2007 at 10:31AM (AEDT)
Look at it this way perhaps: semantic markup for code is like accurate grammar for writing/speaking
OK, you got my attention, why is it wrong semantically?
I too am a stickler for correct usage (in case you hadn't noticed :-)
If I put it inside form tags does that make it right?
Are there any situations where it would not work or break something?
Or is it that it's intention is to group form elements and I'm not using it for that?
Posted: Friday, 2 February 2007 at 9:29AM (AEDT)
Wanderer, blizeH's right. You are quoting someone, and that's what the <blockquote></blockquote> and <q></q> tags are here for. They infer meaning to what they are wrapped around, and in this case, they're telling us that the content within them is a quote. A form on the other hand is usually something you can pick options from or input data into, not just a pretty way of displaying a quote
For people who can see, it's not a problem, but I have no idea what a screen reader would make of your quote. For all I know it might say, "NEW FORM, this is the quote from someone. END OF FORM". Which, while not the end of the world, might at least temporarily confuse someone
Posted: Saturday, 3 February 2007 at 1:12PM (AEDT)
Quote:nolawiI tried to install this but to no avail.. it doesnt work with tinymice I guess...
it mentions on first page how to get tinymce and ajaxquote to work