Your favourite part of Vanilla?

NickE · December 2005

mark: yeah, admittedly I was sort of disappointed when I saw you put that in, but I guess that's a job for those custom styles. :-P

Bergamot · December 2005

print.css, rev1:

* {font-family: Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial;}

ul#MenuForum,         div.Session,     div.Panel,
div.PageDetails,      a.PageJump,      ol.PageList,
div.CommentOptions,   div.CommentForm, div.Links,
div.AddCommentsTitle, a.PageNav,       div.Discussions,
div.Categories,       div.Search,      div.Account,
div.SettingsPageBody
{
   display:none;
}

div.Comment
{
   padding:0.125in 0 0.25in;
   border-top:.01in solid black;
}

a:link,
a:visited 
{
   color: #520;
   font-weight: bold;
   text-decoration: underline;
}

div.Title 
{
   padding-bottom:0.125in
   font-size:12pt;
   font-weight:bold;
   text-decoration:none;
}

div.CommentAuthor a,
div.Logo,
div.Logo *
{
   font-size:12pt;
   font-weight:bold;
   text-decoration:none;
}

div.CommentTime,
div.CommentTime em,
div.Foot *
{
   font-size:8pt;
   font-weight:bold;
}

div.CommentBody
{
   padding-top:0.125in;
   font-size:10pt;
}

div.Copyright
{
   border-top:.01in solid black;
   padding-top:0.125in
}
   
div.CommentBody a:link:after,
div.CommentBody a:visited:after 
{
   content: " (" attr(href) ") ";
   font-size: 90%;
}

Bergamot · December 2005

Ack, curse you Code tag, and your blatant disrespect of whitespace!

EDIT: ...which itself is due to the lack of

code {white-space: pre;}
in vanilla.css

NickE · December 2005

Or you could just use the pre tag as well, which is exactly what it exists for.

Bergamot · December 2005

No, because whitespace should be honored in all code tags, not just the ones wrapped in <pre>s

NickE · December 2005

When I said that I meant within the HTML specification, not Vanilla. I don't know, just seems sort of silly to turn every single tag into something it's not with CSS when numerous times an entire tag exists for that specific reason.

Bergamot · December 2005

That's a little backwards; the only reason the <pre> tag honors whitespace is because the major browsers put "white-space: pre;" in their default stylesheets. The idea is to remove intrinsic styling from elements entirely.

NickE · December 2005

Yeah, you're right. I was thinking back to the days when CSS didn't really exist/wasn't nearly as flexible, and the layout was achieved through the actual HTML and not about a hundred divs and uls with half a meg of styling.

lech · December 2005

Bergamot, don't get them started with arguments about <code> tags <3 :D

Mark · December 2005

I added your css and uploaded to vanilladev. I took a look at it in firefox using the web developer's extension and it didn't really look right - all I could see was this:

Vanilla Dev
The page was delivered in 0.6529 seconds

But I don't trust that extension.

jsanders · December 2005

what a timely thread. i was about to stop back by and say how much i really like vanilla... and this was here! i got stuck on a project at work that needs a fairly basic forum, and needs to run on SQLITE, so we've picked up punbb. punbb is a nice piece of work, and i really appreciate that it's written more procedurally than object-oriented (one i understand, the other destroys my brain!)... but vanilla is 100% better. my favorite part? the extensibility. i've been doing *minor* changes to the code, and today i realized what a nightmare it will be to update. what're the chances of abstracting vanilla enough to allow an installation to run on sqlite? =)

Mark · December 2005

It actually shouldn't be that difficult. I've never used sqllite before, though, so my big questions are: 1. How similar is the sql syntax to that of mysql? 2. Does php have built in functions to handle database calls like it does for mysql?

jsanders · December 2005

sqlite itself is built-in to php. i've been out of rdbms coding for a while, so i'm far from authoritative on this, but the functions themselves look similar: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.sqlite.php as far as the sql syntax itself, i was actually surprised to see that they maintain a couple of short lists of what it *doesn't* support: http://sqlite.org/omitted.html and http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=UnsupportedSql and isn't vanilla pretty abstracted just on principle? from what i looked at, there are only a handful of classes that call the database.

crazybat · December 2005

In regards to the print CSS, that's great that you completed the work that quickly. That's some fast work Bergamot. Good stuff! Cheers! cb.

Mark · December 2005

Thanks, jsanders. It looks like supporting sqllite would be pretty easy. I might download and install it tomorrow and give it a go. I'm curious to see how much faster (if any) it is than mysql anyway.

WallPhone · December 2005

What I love: 1. Vanilla is crisp and clean, no wasted space or sloppy markup. 2. The few things that I would change (so far) can be done easily in CSS. Print preview in Firefox and IE both work well to view the printed style. *Checks vanilladev* Very good job Bergamot.

Bergamot · December 2005

Actually, I made that with a page I saved from 0.9.2, so certain parts don't line up really well when it's used on vanilladev. I'll have to make some modifications. Also, right now it *only* prints discussions.

Mark · December 2005

I've spent all afternoon working on getting sqlite working with php. What a pain in the ass! Everywhere I read, it says that you should definitely be using sqlite3, but there is almost no support for it in php (definitely none before php5), and it just doesn't seem to work at all. I keep getting all kinds of random system errors because of it - it's making all of my php extensions fail (even mysql and gd2). It's totally buggerred. I'm not quite sure how to proceed.

lech · December 2005

screw sqlite for perhaps a better supported DB ?

jsanders · December 2005

i honestly can't comment on what the differences between sqlite 2.8 and 3, but have you seen xampp? http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html i don't know what your setup is like at the moment, so it might not really be worth it, but at least it would give you a basic dev environment with sqlite working. well... sqlite 2.8, at least.