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  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    Thanks @Lincoln and @businessdad for clearing that up, Humans are weird ...

    So what you are saying is, people can be duped into thinking that something is valuable simply by giving it a price .

    Does the value have to be in currency ? Does it not matter the value you get from it's use ?

    If I put a dollar value on my themes, say $200 bucks per theme. People will be under the impression that it is a high quality theme, and the ones I am giving away are sub quality because they are free.

    That makes no logical sense. But it is common enough with anything. People don't buy LOUIS VUITTON bags because they are nice looking , they are horrible bags, but they cost a lot of money and people want them only because of that. How stupid.

    I have a friend who only buys these things and says she would not be caught dead with a knock off. However I think it is stupid to pay $5000 for a bag. If I like a bag and there is a carbon copy for $35 bucks , it seems logical to get that one.

    In order to find the value for me about something , I measure how much I really need it. To me value is obtained by how much I need it. If the need is not there, then it is how much do I want it. Then compare priority of other things I want or need.

    We all want to pay less for things. That is ok. However there are times when we just have to if we want things to get accomplished .

    @R_J peregrine made a donate for your forum plugin. Forum Donate plugin.
    But you do need a credit card or a paypal account to pay.

    They don't take cash. This is a problem for people who do not have a way to use paypal. Most who want to donate do. Even from china...

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    I found this very old discussion from 2008 in which people are asking themselves how much they should charge for some work offered.

    http://vanillaforums.org/discussion/8594/hire-price

    Seems like the hardest thing about hiring or taking a job offered, is the estimating for the total cost. It looks like it is easier to do it for free than to come up with a a spreadsheet of costs and productivity.

    Can it be possible that developers and designers do not know how much they are worth ?

    I find an intersecting aspect between songwriters and software developers. The songwriter will write songs and give them to others to play them. Just glad someone wants to. Never thinking that the song could be a hit and make millions. Just glad someone was willing to play the song.

    The developer writes software programs, gives the software to others to play with and use. Just glad someone is willing to test it , to use it, to expand it.

    People don't do all this thinking how much money it will earn them in the initial stages of involvement . I would like to believe that the payoff is much larger and it is down the road some and you can't think of that as a motivator to write some code up.

    Is there not some level of excitement from the creation of something that functions?

    If that was not the case, then Accounting is a better choice for a career .

  • businessdadbusinessdad Stealth contributor MVP

    @vrijvlinder said:
    I found this very old discussion from 2008 in which people are asking themselves how much they should charge for some work offered.

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    Can it be possible that developers and designers do not know how much they are worth ?

    Common issue, especially amongst coders. If someone doesn't know his worth, then he should not be in business. I never met a plumber who didn't know how much to charge. In many developers communities, when someone comes out with "how much should I ask?", the reply is usually "something". :)

    People don't do all this thinking how much money it will earn them in the initial stages of involvement . I would like to believe that the payoff is much larger and it is down the road some and you can't think of that as a motivator to write some code up.

    That is a motivator, when one does it as a business. If one does it as a hobby, then it doesn't matter if he gets paid or not, therefore all the talk about rates and worth falls apart. One can't run a business thinking that it doesn't matter if it's profitable or not.

    Is there not some level of excitement from the creation of something that functions?

    There may be, but it doesn't last forever. I felt a lot of excitement when I started developing working software, in 1997, but then it became a job like any other quite quickly. It's a job I can do well, and I like to put effort and care in it, but it's still just a job. To be clearer, if such activity weren't paying anything, I would drop it immediately and, probably, save myself a lot of stress.

    If that was not the case, then Accounting is a better choice for a career .

    Ironically, accounting is a requirement for whoever runs a business. Any business. You have to be a developer and an accountant, a baker and an accountant, a plumber and an accountant and so on, if you want to be able to read and understand your own business' books. :D

    Now I should probably stop hijacking the discussion...

  • peregrineperegrine MVP
    edited September 2013

    Peregrine sez:
    I love the tautologies of higher cost implies better value and professionalism. I also love rationalizations - slower coders are more methodical and more careful. - faster coders are less methodical and less careful - faster coders are better - more documentation makes the coding better - less documentation make the coding worse - monolithic is bad - neolithic is good.

    Vaniila community is no different then any other community - it is full of commensal organisms, fleet-footed antelopes, lemmings, symbiotic relationships, detritovores, saprophytes, coprophages(one or two), and parasites, and multi-celled animals with a primitive neural system and brain. Some work together, some work independently, some heave opprobrium, some give and take, and some take but never give (no matter what the circumstance, situation, or rationalization).

    @r_j
    Based on some of the questions asked on this forum (not by you), I can understand why you say clicking on a donate button in a settings page of a plugin is beyond the skillset or ability of some.

    I may not provide the completed solution you might desire, but I do try to provide honest suggestions to help you solve your issue.

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    Fair enough...

    Common issue, especially amongst coders.

    And pretty much anyone who does not have the degree, certification, or life experience to qualify for the standard wage. If you look for a job in this field, the requirements are very clear. You must know your stuff.

    Someone who spent time in University to get these requirements fulfilled can account for their knowledge with a piece of paper. That qualifies you for a higher pay grade. It is supposed to mean the University guarantees their acquisition of knowledge.
    In theory anyway...

    Someone who learned on their own and mastered it without going to get a degree, will have a harder time proving that they qualify for a higher pay. Even if they are better than the Graduate.

    There is a gray area where people are in between these two and those are the people who come to these self help forums. I hardly think that someone with a large company and money to spare will look here for devs. They look for professionals and would likely pay for the hosted solution instead of bothering with DIY.

    So understanding the kind of folks who will come to an open source community forum, where most users develop their own plugins and themes etc. and share them for free and help out those learning to use the software, are generally not a big company with lots of money.

    And in turn, not all of the devs have the degree but are just as good or better and do deserve to get "Something"

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    @peregrine said:

    @r_j Based on some of the questions asked on this forum (not by you), I can understand why you say clicking on a donate button in a settings page of a plugin is beyond the skillset or ability of some.

    Yes well remember some of your buttons were kaput ....and if you are not in the USA it can be terribly difficult to use your American credit card , You know ... I am willing to bet
    that is the only problem. And many users here not from the USA so that may be an issue.

    There should be an easier way than paypal....

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP
    edited September 2013

    **If such activity were not paying anything **

    Gone are the days where people only did work they enjoyed ? Was that ever true or is it a pipe dream ?

    If something is not enjoyable to do, I simply don't do it no matter how much it pays... I have learned to do many things so it never gets boring .

    I do know that when you need to, you do what you must do. But if you have a choice, why pick something you loathe ? Something you can't wait to stop doing because it is tedious like a factory assembly line ...

  • peregrineperegrine MVP
    edited September 2013

    edited - back to semantics and philosphical question - web designer - can they develop and can they design a web, or would a spider do a better job for free. Can a spider weave a silk purse out of a sow's ear?

    I may not provide the completed solution you might desire, but I do try to provide honest suggestions to help you solve your issue.

    vrijvlinder
  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    People have pm me in the past asking where to donate to you and how. So it is not so strange that some are inept at the whole donate button thing. It would be easier if they could just mail the yuan ....

  • vrijvlindervrijvlinder Papillon-Sauvage MVP

    Can a spider weave a silk purse out of a sow's ear?

    well you can spin tough silk from goat's milk so anything is possible I suppose ...

    would a spider do a better job for free ?

    Yes it already does and that is why they want to clone it and make synthetic silk.

    If the spider is an anthropomorphism , then it would depend on the spider :)

    Do I think the spider should be rewarded ? Yes I do of course...

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