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Data Protection Laws: A Discussion

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  • R_JR_J Ex-Fanboy Munich Admin

    If we are already taking over an old thread why not make it completely offtopic:
    Whatever service they offer and to what price doesn't matter to me.

    It might not be the opinion of everyone but what the NSA is doing, covered by US law, is a form of terrorism, too. At least it feels this way for me. And I am the customer. And so I decide myself against American services, because I feel threatend by what is evolving out of that laws.

    "DigitalOcean may disclose Personal Data to comply with relevant laws"
    We all could have learned that the reason for exposing data could be pure interest of someone working for the right agency.

    The Lavabit service has been shut down because the operator couldn't guarantee the privacy of his users. Why should anybody sell his users data before it is even created by using a cheap American service? If you are American, you'll have no choice. I still have and I'm choosing not to store my own or my users data in the US. I would never have given my data to a land where it is not clear to me that my data is treated with respect. And nevertheless even my country is feeding the NSA harddisks without questioning too hard :-/

    Pretty offtopic, I know, but I am really, really frightend by what is going on in the world just because someone told the public that the NSA is doing it's job pretty well (I'm neither surprised nor offended by that). US, UK, France and Portugal have shown an ugly, despotically face to the world and most of the other western countries, proud on their democracy, remain silent. Silence means consens. Sad but true...If we are already taking over an old thread why not make it completely offtopic:
    what they are offering

  • @R_J that isn't to do with the NSA, it is to do with basic law.

    Data protection applies unless you commit felonies. usually this requires warrants. If there is child porn you are within your right to report it. Admittedly it goes without saying an could probably be worded better.

    Still not a fan of the necroing to do this.

    NSA operate outside of basic law, and it is non-disclosure based. There is no point in telling out if it meant to be secret. The idea of the program is to intercept information coming in and out in black box fashion and filter it.

    grep is your friend.

  • R_JR_J Ex-Fanboy Munich Admin

    @x00 said:
    Data protection applies unless you commit felonies.

    Nope. Simply not true. https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

  • @R_J said:
    Nope. Simply not true. https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

    You are not getting the point of what I'm saying. I'm talking about data protection laws, this is a legal term. What NSA does is outside of this law.

    No person co-operating with NSA is going put that as a disclosure.

    grep is your friend.

  • x00x00 MVP
    edited September 2013

    In UK Data Protection Act 1997

    In the US you have a mix of laws rather than a comprehensive data protection law.

    grep is your friend.

  • R_JR_J Ex-Fanboy Munich Admin
    edited September 2013

    @x00 said:
    You are not getting the point of what I'm saying. I'm talking about data protection laws, this is a legal term.

    I see, but than you have gotten me wrong, maybe I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't complaining about that little sentence that is quite normal for all electronic services in - I assume - almost all countries.
    I wanted to point out that this is sounding sarcastic to me, now that it is common knowledge, that data is not only given away when I violate the terms of use or get in conflict with the law. Data is arbitrary collected.

  • I hope the entire rest of the world heavily boycotts all american companies because of the NSA abuses. The NSA is blatantly violating the constitutional rights of every american citizen, and no amount of sugar coating, and redefining words will change that.

    The american government is heavily controlled by a loose oligarchy of american mega-corps. The only way to get them to change is to hit them in the wallet.

    I rent my own high end dedicated server, but I know the company I use has also been legally bullied into giving the NSA anything it wants. We have no choice in America anymore. Yay Bush and Obama!

    -------------------- now since were waaaaaay off topic.... lets switch to something closer to home ---------------

    How do I lobby the Vanilla Forums development team to vastly improve the speed of their code :)
    Vanilla seems to use 10X the CPU phpbb does.

  • it is not just about American citizens. Other agencies can use the NSA data even outside of the very limited checks an balances

    So an agency like GCHQ can use these resources, and then give the information back to the Americans.

    grep is your friend.

  • I can understand the spirit in which PRISM and Tempora might be implemented is not necessarily cynical. It is smart people thinking of ways to collate data. However, it goes down a very dangerous path of infringing on our rights.

    However be lucky we don't live in place like China and Russia. They are not going to respond to criticism of their programs, or even acknowledge them.

    grep is your friend.

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