"It does not matter what you few simple and single minded people think or how intelligent you think your arguments are, the fact of the matter is that once again, you have decided to get stuck into me and overlook the facts."
You're calling us single minded? That's fucking ridiculous. Once again, you're overlooking what we've praised on the iPhone. I don't get why you're ignoring that. Are you just that much of a fucking obtuse cunt or are you actually a fucking idiot?
"Millions of people think like ME not YOU and they act on it!"
Soooooooooooooooo in that case as more people use Windows that means it's better right? I'm using your logic there.
"This is proven by the numbers of iPhones being sold. Apple won't release figures just yet, they always under promise and over deliver so as not to synthetically impact on the share price, but when figure estimates are released by the analysts you can stick 'em in your pipes and smoke 'em!"
I've read the figure estimates and they're good. It doesn't detract from the fact that there's features the iPhone is missing. Basic features that should be standard on any mobile phone. Have you read the Engadget review? It's the best review I've read of the iPhone. Go read it.
"And giginger mate, you couldn't have chosen a more unsuitable metaphor with the cake missing the sugar and butter, I like it that way, I'm diabetic!"
That's great, I really needed that information. Next time I'm drinking a Red Bull I'll be sure to pop some extra sugar in it just for you.
"I didn't say it was flawless, I said you were being picky."
Actually, you were pretty much saying it was flawless at one point. Don't let a thing like consistency bother you though.
"For a 1.0 product it's hit the market square in the nose, much more impact than any other phone out there, even the much lauded Motorola Razr (big deal, it's thin). You guys have different expectations from technology, you don't seem to appreciate style, simplicity, elegance and the it-just-works feeling we get from Apple products not to mention the innovation thrill seing the big guys (Nokia etc.) being beaten at their own game. To compensate for that you seem to get a kick out of nit-picking minor issues which are really not a huge issue in the big scheme of things."
The Razr was a piece of crap, I don't even know why that was released. Never liked Motorola phones anyway. They should've stuck to making Record players for cars. Once again, the ONLY innovative thing on the iPhone is it's interface. Mini, Stash and I have all said countless times that we love the interface. The phone looks great but there's underlying problems with it that should've been addressed before release.
"Get out of the closed box and look at the product for what it is. An exciting phone that's a joy to use with many more positives about it than negatives and those too will be addressed if the market requires it."
How about you step out of the Jobs Distortion Field and take a look at what you're saying. If anyone used your arguements in defence of a Microsoft product you'd be up in their face about it, telling them that all Microsoft prodcuts are shit etc;
"Anything the iPhone is missing is due to external factors and hard choices having to be made based on aspects out of Apple's control. Give it a little more time, it will get voice dialing if the people say they want it, it will get MMS if it's that big a deal, it will certainly get GPS when whatever the issues keeping it out of the feature set are solved. It will allow your songs to be used as ring-tones if they can get the music owners to agree to it. (Ring tones, now that's a deal breaker isn't it?)"
To be truly revolutionary though they would've waited longer and sorted out these issues. This is the problem with the phone. It has one revolutionary thing and that alone doesn't make it worth $500! Why should music owners have to agree to using music as ringtones? 5 years ago I was using mp3 ringtones. Why should they care if you're using their music as a ringtone? If anything it's free advertising. The reason they don't allow it is so that Apple can coin it in with a ringtone service further down the line.
"The biggest impact it will have is to force the other manufacturers to take a long hard look at the shitty interface they have been imposing on consumers. Make it better or give up market share!"
Finally you've said something that rings true! I actually agree with what you've said.
I really enjoyed reading this rant (unnecessary expletives and all) until I got to the last line, way too sweet, and you know what that does to me!
Oh, and "Why should music owners have to agree to using music as ringtones?" because they have a legal right to and they will enforce it if they can make 99 cents for every 15 second grab sold.
No, you certainly cannot go and broadcast them on a podcast for example and apparently, a ring-tone is a "public" performance of the work.
Ridiculous I agree but that's the rule as it stands. There are reasons that are not apparent for many things we bitch about in life and there are always work-arounds, not always legal.
When I was traveling to New York while back, I converted Sinatra's classic to a ring tone and drove people crazy with it for weeks. It's probably possible to hack the iPhone to do it, it's just that Apple are not able to provide the interface for it currently.
If people want to bitch about a serious flaw, a real inconvenience and a very bad decision in my book, it's the built-in battery that is not user replaceable.
Now again, there may be a technical reason for this but on the face of it, unlike the iPods, it's an inconvenience to do without a phone for 3-5 days to send it off to have the battery replaced.
Then again, I recently saw a third party $19.00 iPod Nano battery replacement kit recently. There are solutions, patience grasshoppers.
Mah mah mah, mah mah mah, Steve Jobs, ba ba ba ba bah bah, Microsoft, wah wah wah wa wa wa wa wa wa wa Nokia, na na na na na na nah nah nah nah Apple mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo moh mo mo mo mo mo mo mo moh incredible user interface nah nah nah nah nah nah nah.
You know, although I'll happily agree that the non replaceable battery is pretty retarded, I don't actually mind that much. I've kinda come to expect it from apple products anyway since all the iPods do it (everyone loves a bit of extra profit, right?) but assuming the battery doesnt deteriorate too rapidly within about 18 months - 2 years (which I believe is the expected timescale for the iPods?) then it's not really an issue since most people will be changing phones (hopefully to iPhone v2, nontheless, with perhaps a replaceable battery) anyway. All my past phones have had user replaceable batteries but I've never bothered because new ones cost like £50 compared to new phones costing nothing, and the battery has never deteriorated to an unbearable point within the space of time I've had the phone (only reason I've ever wanted a new battery anyway is so I can have a spare - for THAT reason I think the choice not to allow it in the iPhone is inconvenient)
BTW, I got my hands on an iPhone today for a few minutes. The keyboard was extremely easy to use. The lack of tactile feedback was actually a breath of fresh air for me.
Even if you mistype something, it figures out what you meant if you just keep typing (you just press the spacebar to accept it's correction). So, you end up typing words much faster because you can just lightly tap each letter without having to push each key all the way in. Plus, the graphic keys are larger than most keypads. Overall, I really liked the speed a lot.
As I was using it, it occurred to me that tactile feedback is not really necessary. I'm really not sure what people mean when they say that "business" users need tactile feedback. The only people who might actually need tactile feedback would be blind people or people who like to dial without looking. I'm not one of those people.
You could probably learn to dial without looking even without tactile feedback. The Touchstream (that is Touchsteam, the company Apple bought because they wanted their multi-touch technology) keyboards were zero-force and people somehow touchtype with those. Especially dialling where you have a relatively small number of "buttons" shouldn't be too hard to learn.
Minisweeper, I agree with your comments about the battery probably not needing replacement if it lasts 2 years, but remember the iPhone is also an iPod. People are going to be plugging it in for a short period of time just to sync on a regular basis. While it's syncing It's also charging for too short a period of time before the battery charge is depleted which is going to cause the "memory" effect and reduce the battery's life and ability to hold charge.
I don't care what they say about the new batteries, they DO suffer from the memory effect. I try hard to run my Nano's battery down at least once a week before I charge it but sometimes, especially before a trip in the car I need to sync it (and therefore charge it) to update podcasts and the battery is now showing signs of reduced charge life. I found a $20 do-it-yourself replacement kit, but that's beside the point.
Mind you, I had a similar charging regime with my Nokia phone and it too is now suffering. It's not just the $70 cost of the replacement battery, with the iPhone it requires being sent off for a few days, that's inconvenient.
Oh and 3stripe, have you been anally probed by Mork from Ork?
Anandtech has a great article where they pull an iPhone apart - I very much doubt you're going to be replacing it yourself. I can only hope they make it easier or someone figures out a better way (I'm sure they will, they just wanted in to the phone ASAP for the article).
Although I personally have no use for a removable battery (I'm not that much of a heavy user), it's this oversight that I cite as my reason for saying it's not a business phone. Some of the business people I know burn through a couple of batteries every day, especially when they're abroad, making it absolutely essential to be able to just pop the back cover off and slam in a new battery. This is the one that really makes me feel synical about Apple and their profit margins, it's the only reason for doing it AFAICS. Sure it would mean the back isn't completely one piece, but I think 99.99% of the population could cope with a single join in the back...
Oh and btw - anyone using Windows Mobile 5 should really check out the Mobile Shell by SPB. It may not be as pretty as the iPhone interface, but it's a bloody good improvement over the standard WM5 interface and very easy to use with just your stabbies (even on the relatively small XDA Orbit screen - 75mm)
I am fscking dumbfounded.
I don't understand it. Over the past four days I have seen numerous articles on how to take your iPhone apart. WTF Why? I mean, if you really want to spend a few hundred dollars for an electrical appliance and then proceed to tear it apart... I will gladly give you my info and we can make some sort of arrangement.
I have no idea why someone would take apart a brand new electronics device. I'd understand if they had a bricked one and wanted to have a nosey around but taking it apart for the sake of it is pure stupidity. If you've got that much money to burn then do something useful with it.
Well, tech sites do it because people who read them (and themselves) are interested in the internal gubbins - one assumes they can afford to trash a single device. If individuals are doing it, they can afford it and enjoy it - so why shouldn't they?
And of course the royal "we" are assuming they trashed it and didn't reverse the procedure to put it back together again?
I looked up taking the Nano apart because I want to replace the battery myself. I assume I'll be able to put it back into its pristine condition again, dangling it in pieces with the battery hanging off would have considerable impact on the cool factor! Then again, I'm told I am a trend setter, hmmm I might be onto something here, I'll called the trashed Nano look, might have appeal to punk rockers and goths, but then I'd have to paint it black, no too messy, now where did I put my pills...
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You're calling us single minded? That's fucking ridiculous. Once again, you're overlooking what we've praised on the iPhone. I don't get why you're ignoring that. Are you just that much of a fucking obtuse cunt or are you actually a fucking idiot?
"Millions of people think like ME not YOU and they act on it!"
Soooooooooooooooo in that case as more people use Windows that means it's better right?
I'm using your logic there.
"This is proven by the numbers of iPhones being sold. Apple won't release figures just yet, they always under promise and over deliver so as not to synthetically impact on the share price, but when figure estimates are released by the analysts you can stick 'em in your pipes and smoke 'em!"
I've read the figure estimates and they're good. It doesn't detract from the fact that there's features the iPhone is missing. Basic features that should be standard on any mobile phone. Have you read the Engadget review? It's the best review I've read of the iPhone. Go read it.
"And giginger mate, you couldn't have chosen a more unsuitable metaphor with the cake missing the sugar and butter, I like it that way, I'm diabetic!"
That's great, I really needed that information. Next time I'm drinking a Red Bull I'll be sure to pop some extra sugar in it just for you.
"I didn't say it was flawless, I said you were being picky."
Actually, you were pretty much saying it was flawless at one point. Don't let a thing like consistency bother you though.
"For a 1.0 product it's hit the market square in the nose, much more impact than any other phone out there, even the much lauded Motorola Razr (big deal, it's thin). You guys have different expectations from technology, you don't seem to appreciate style, simplicity, elegance and the it-just-works feeling we get from Apple products not to mention the innovation thrill seing the big guys (Nokia etc.) being beaten at their own game. To compensate for that you seem to get a kick out of nit-picking minor issues which are really not a huge issue in the big scheme of things."
The Razr was a piece of crap, I don't even know why that was released. Never liked Motorola phones anyway. They should've stuck to making Record players for cars.
Once again, the ONLY innovative thing on the iPhone is it's interface. Mini, Stash and I have all said countless times that we love the interface. The phone looks great but there's underlying problems with it that should've been addressed before release.
"Get out of the closed box and look at the product for what it is. An exciting phone that's a joy to use with many more positives about it than negatives and those too will be addressed if the market requires it."
How about you step out of the Jobs Distortion Field and take a look at what you're saying. If anyone used your arguements in defence of a Microsoft product you'd be up in their face about it, telling them that all Microsoft prodcuts are shit etc;
"Anything the iPhone is missing is due to external factors and hard choices having to be made based on aspects out of Apple's control. Give it a little more time, it will get voice dialing if the people say they want it, it will get MMS if it's that big a deal, it will certainly get GPS when whatever the issues keeping it out of the feature set are solved. It will allow your songs to be used as ring-tones if they can get the music owners to agree to it. (Ring tones, now that's a deal breaker isn't it?)"
To be truly revolutionary though they would've waited longer and sorted out these issues. This is the problem with the phone. It has one revolutionary thing and that alone doesn't make it worth $500!
Why should music owners have to agree to using music as ringtones? 5 years ago I was using mp3 ringtones. Why should they care if you're using their music as a ringtone? If anything it's free advertising. The reason they don't allow it is so that Apple can coin it in with a ringtone service further down the line.
"The biggest impact it will have is to force the other manufacturers to take a long hard look at the shitty interface they have been imposing on consumers. Make it better or give up market share!"
Finally you've said something that rings true! I actually agree with what you've said.
Oh, and "Why should music owners have to agree to using music as ringtones?" because they have a legal right to and they will enforce it if they can make 99 cents for every 15 second grab sold.
Posted: Friday, 6 July 2007 at 5:46PM
Ridiculous I agree but that's the rule as it stands. There are reasons that are not apparent for many things we bitch about in life and there are always work-arounds, not always legal.
When I was traveling to New York while back, I converted Sinatra's classic to a ring tone and drove people crazy with it for weeks. It's probably possible to hack the iPhone to do it, it's just that Apple are not able to provide the interface for it currently.
If people want to bitch about a serious flaw, a real inconvenience and a very bad decision in my book, it's the built-in battery that is not user replaceable.
Now again, there may be a technical reason for this but on the face of it, unlike the iPods, it's an inconvenience to do without a phone for 3-5 days to send it off to have the battery replaced.
Then again, I recently saw a third party $19.00 iPod Nano battery replacement kit recently. There are solutions, patience grasshoppers.
Posted: Saturday, 7 July 2007 at 7:51AM
I don't care what they say about the new batteries, they DO suffer from the memory effect. I try hard to run my Nano's battery down at least once a week before I charge it but sometimes, especially before a trip in the car I need to sync it (and therefore charge it) to update podcasts and the battery is now showing signs of reduced charge life. I found a $20 do-it-yourself replacement kit, but that's beside the point.
Mind you, I had a similar charging regime with my Nokia phone and it too is now suffering. It's not just the $70 cost of the replacement battery, with the iPhone it requires being sent off for a few days, that's inconvenient.
Oh and 3stripe, have you been anally probed by Mork from Ork?
Posted: Monday, 9 July 2007 at 8:02AM
Although I personally have no use for a removable battery (I'm not that much of a heavy user), it's this oversight that I cite as my reason for saying it's not a business phone. Some of the business people I know burn through a couple of batteries every day, especially when they're abroad, making it absolutely essential to be able to just pop the back cover off and slam in a new battery. This is the one that really makes me feel synical about Apple and their profit margins, it's the only reason for doing it AFAICS. Sure it would mean the back isn't completely one piece, but I think 99.99% of the population could cope with a single join in the back...
I looked up taking the Nano apart because I want to replace the battery myself. I assume I'll be able to put it back into its pristine condition again, dangling it in pieces with the battery hanging off would have considerable impact on the cool factor! Then again, I'm told I am a trend setter, hmmm I might be onto something here, I'll called the trashed Nano look, might have appeal to punk rockers and goths, but then I'd have to paint it black, no too messy, now where did I put my pills...
Posted: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 at 7:50AM
Posted: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 at 11:26AM