Yeah, problem is, frames are one of the biggest accessibility nightmares around.
I do believe they could have been just as effective with a non-frame or psuedo-frame approach. Anyway, I don't like threaded systems either. I just like the other parts of aterr.
I'm pretty rabid about standards and accessibility, but in the case of Beehive frames work fantastically well. It'd take a lot of DHTML and Ajax to replicate the benefits they provide (the more difficult one being loading the two areas independently).
Not that I wouldn't like to see such an effort. I wonder if Vanilla could pull it off.
Meta looks interesting, but to me a little bit too much.. Vanilla is cleaner in that way.
I don't find threaded systems bad, but the way alterr implemented is, is just not very nice. There should for example be a limit when the nesting stops, and when the next posts just appears right below. Like the system of www.tweakers.net (not forum software, but reactions in a threaded way).
On other forum software I like very much is UNB (newsboard.unclassified.de). Very much like the userfriendlyness (is that correct English?), and the functions. The same what attracts me in Vanilla.
Battleaxe forums look like the usual UBB clone at first glance, but I really like some of the diffrent thread views it provides.
http://forums.bttlxe.com/forums/index.asp
Threaded forums have their place, and so does ASP, but not for me.
Can't say that Talk.org impresses me in its current state...and if you even manage to load a page, its a bit confusing. I don't really know what to do.
I like its simplicity but I don't like how its been implemented.
talk looks like crap! People say looks aren't everything but they are - you see it all the time, to be able to use it you mjst look at it - if it looks bad then you don't want to use it....
I don't understand how people get into craigslist.
I mean...sometimes simplicity is good, but when you are so simple that your website is ugly and even functionality is harmed (see the forums on Craigslist), something is wrong.
Ouch! I hadn't seen the craigslist forums before. They're really, really bad.
There was a forum called Tagsurf which seems to be gone now. Archive.org has old versions, but they might be missing CSS, because it's looking even worse than I remembered it. Basically it was totally into the tagging craze and just wanted all posts/threads tagged. If you google for tagsurf you can see lots of people saying "OMG IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT THING!111111"
I'm the developer of Talk.org. The main thing I'm trying to do is get away from registration in the same way as the Japanese 2-Ch forum.
Our ISP did have some problems over the weekend. Hopefully it should be fine now.
The design of it is in no way perfect. But I would like to hear what exactly it was that you considered bad? Just to help me improve it.
I had never seen Vanilla before and it does look nice.
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I do believe they could have been just as effective with a non-frame or psuedo-frame approach. Anyway, I don't like threaded systems either. I just like the other parts of aterr.
Not that I wouldn't like to see such an effort. I wonder if Vanilla could pull it off.
OR Vanilla with an invite system would be hot.
There was a forum called Tagsurf which seems to be gone now. Archive.org has old versions, but they might be missing CSS, because it's looking even worse than I remembered it. Basically it was totally into the tagging craze and just wanted all posts/threads tagged. If you google for tagsurf you can see lots of people saying "OMG IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT THING!111111"