Apple to have something very big in their sleeve?

lech

Kosmo, I think you have just helped me make the point there :) and afterall, its what Apple should do with the intel platform. Because it would be great.

Kosmo

If Apple did that I'd do murder suicide on Apple, it wouldn't be even half as good as it is now. The OS isn't that good without the hardware and the hardware isn't that good without the OS, it's a perfect symbiosis.

Krak

I think Kosmo is in love with Apple a lil too much. We know where his allegiances are.

giginger

Can anyone confirm the reports I've heard that OSX is running faster on the Intel hardware?

lech

Kosmo, don't worry, it wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Buck up. :)

Kosmo

Actually if one, even one PC hardware vendor put as much tought to their hardware as Apple does I'd like them too, why the hell do you think most of us build our racks. I have seen and used Boxx tech and Alienware computers, Dells, HPs you name it, but not a single one can come even close to the sheer engineer orgasm that is Mac. Just today me and my cousin were talking about cooling systems in computers, both of us have gone through the trouble of installing extremely expensive and efficient water cooling units to our computers just to get the noise levels low. But what is this? Apple has intelligent built in liquid heat pipe cooling systems without extra cost, it's even in the cheapest PM G5. And THAT my friend is the advance Apple has over all others, they can design their systems ground up and just because they use the parts they have included in their designs they can do such things. Can you even imagine how much work (and not to mention money) it would take if you built a custom wind tunnel and PM heatpipe cooling system in to your PC? Have you any idea? So Krak, it's not only that I somehow magically love Apple without no bloody reason. Besides, how many times I have stated that I'm a gaming enthusiast with a passion to make games, and Macs just don't cut it in there.

Minisweeper

"Apple has intelligent built in liquid heat pipe cooling systems without extra cost" - besides the extra cost of the thing to begin with, ofcourse.

Kosmo

Well, mini think of it like a car, someone designed the motor for it, but you get it straight away, hence there is no extra cost because you can't buy the car without it (or maybe you can, but there is no point,) it is not an accessory that you have to select it to come with it, thusly we can rule that there is no extra cost.

Minisweeper

Similar but not quite. I couldnt buy a mac/pc without its processor (engine) I could buy it without electric windows. Or a sunroof. Or air conditioning.

Kosmo

I don't quite follow your trail of tought. It was a built in application, ofcourse there are design costs for it, there are costs for all of it's parts because it was designed, but it doesn't cost extra to the base cost of the machine. The basic model of Saab you can go and buy from here in Finland has airconditioning, it is one of it's basic equipment, like you can choose to have it automatic or manual, also no extra charge. Now if you go and buy a Mercedes-Benz you have to pay EXTRA for the air conditoning, and you also have to pay EXTRA for automatic transmission, infact you have to pay extra for electric windows, it doesn't have any comfort level equipment in it's basic model. Saab does, think Mac as a Saab.

lech

I don't quite think of PC's in the same way you do, Kosmo. While I've had my own fair share of PC problems, it really boils down to the errors that exist between the keyboard and chair. PC hardware has come a long way, and even apple has it's fair share of problems with hardware AND software. Usually, the first couple of hours of setting up a bare-bones system is a major pain in the ass, something is ill-configured, a jumper is on the wrong pins, or the bios is out-dated for the CPU, whatever. Then once everything is up to speed, it's golden, since I've set up this system, I haven't had any major hang-ups. It's really all the matter of what you're running on the system in terms of software. If the software is unstable, then that's usually the cause of most problems. Especially when you throw a user who's totally unfamiliar with managing a system of any calibre. And that, usually throws the monkey-wrench into the machine, nearly every time. Once people start installing stuff, it's all downhill from there and will lead to either corruption, ill-configurations, or total system failure until you do a fresh install. I see it at least 6 times a year, and every single time (unless it's a bad drive) it's always something the user set or installed which led to the systems demise. All the while, the hardware was in pristine condition and running 100%.

Kosmo

All of my own computers that I have built myself and bought the parts I have needed, I haven't had a single major problem aside the OS, but I know that I could go with Linux which would suck for me, so I take the problems of the OS and make with it. I don't see it so bad that I have to reinstall my OS every now and then, heck I'd have to do it anyway since Winnie doesn't work well with old install if you changed any major part of your configuration. And yes, Mac can be a total disaster too with someone who doesn't know jack shit about computers and wants to try every single thing he can do with the machine in the universe even without the knowledge. And as for what I understand hardware always works 100% It's the software that is always the problem, never hardware.

Krak

Thats not true Kosmo. Cheap, poorly made hardware can cause massive problems. Can be some of the hardest problems to diagnose even, cause most people dont think about them. For example, my system. When I first got it I had tons of issues. Random lockups, BSOD's. Everything. I tried drivers, settings, formatting, reinstalling, all kinds of shit. Turns on it was my soundcard that was causing all the problems. Shitty onboard products. Replaced the soundcard and have not seen a BSOD, or had an issue since. Same goes with faulty power supplies, and bad ram. Those can cause all sorts of problems. IMO anything onboard sucks ass. Onboard video is weak, good enough for school word proc. and thats it. Onboard sounds blows too, usually sounds like shit and in my experience caused a lot of system crashes.

lech

To be honest, I've never had had a major issue with onboard sound at least in this rig. It's actually better than anything I've had previously and is quite good. Not to say that all onboard sound is great. The only major issue I've had with this systems onboard sound is when I tried to play Diablo II and it would randomly cause lockups because Diablo was attempting to access something that wasn't available to it (blizzard sucks in that respect) and I haven't played the game as a result of that issue and their very unhelpful tech support. As far as onboard video goes, I won't even bother with it, onboard sound and gigabit lan isn't as bad as you may think. I've actually had a friend have more problems with his SoundBlaster than I've had with this onboard sound :) Any hardware over time can develop or come with faults, that's a given. It's what you're doing with the system in the end that really counts.