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The official I hate PCs discussion
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The first thing that comes to mind about Algebra's comments is "he should learn to use his Mac or dump it and stick with his Dell."
About yours? I think you are unnecessarily worked up so "full of sh*t" comes to mind but I won't say that on account of the fact that you'd be "offended".
As for "overheating issues" and such, hmmm, why do we continually dig a big hole about specifics and make them "it" as far as the discussion goes?
PC minded lemmings (if you fit the label it's you, otherwise chill) are mostly small-minded and piddly thinking, that's why metaphors fall flat on them.
If somehow, the Mac platform disappeared off the face of the planet tomorrow, the Mac mentality would live on. It's not about the hardware or software per se, it's about the thinking, the attitude, the "something bigger than multi-million dollar profits". Did you miss dan39's excellent 2-part post? Or did you simply ignore it because he was spot-on?
If it wasn't for the Mac mentality PC users would still be struggling with green text on black screens and poking the arrow-keys to navigate and the only games you'd have would be Pong and maybe Breakout. And sure Windows copied the interface but mentally PC thinkers are all still on green screens with a piddly flashing block cursor and arrow keys (inline not even the inverted T!).
Grow up? Why not just grow? Stand back and take a look at the coral you've been penned into, open your horizons, stop being such a sheep, jump the fence or crawl under it but get out and look at what's out there. If you don't like it you can always crawl back I suppose.
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Freedom of expression taints?
More negative mentality, sigh.
If people were not interested, it would not be "...staying on top..."
Now, I do a lot more than game, and took a gamble with a PowerBook purchase. Though it was slower than my PC I quickly found myself spending all my time in OS X, I just find the tools better. Though initially I didn't really "get" the Mac, now I do and I cannot go back to Windows. I literally want to kill myself every time
About a year later, Intel iMacs hit, and I snag one... never to look back to the days of building my own PC etc. Its just not worth it to me anymore. Macs let me get my work done faster and more efficiently, and yeah I can still get my game on (I'm really hardcore about some, many open source that hit Mac)
Vista sure as hell won't get me back either.
There's nothing that a lot of PC users hate about Macs so much as the attitude (Wanderer I'm looking at you) that an extremely vocal minority of Mac users have. They're offensive and don't believe there is any reason why everyone should not be using a Mac. If someone's chosen to use a PC then they're stupid or whatever.
*THAT* is what PC users *REALLY* hate
However, the new Mac Pro was specifically designed to be completely reconfigurable to your own liking:
http://apple.com/macpro/expansion.html
From Apple.com: "The new Mac Pro — More than 4 Million Possible Configurations: You’re the expert. With build-to-order options available for processors, graphic cards, memory, hard drives, optical drives, and other features and components, the über-configurable Mac Pro lets you build your personal dream machine."
There's not much you can't add or customize to that system. Granted, it's not exactly a system for someone on a budget. But, the Mac Pro is definitely competitively priced. (Many configurations are even far cheaper than an equivalent Dell.)
Just curious, but now that they've addressed the major complaints about Macs (configurability, and price), is it any more appealing?
I've spent years copping grief from PC nerds, now that my stance is being rewarded can't I give some of it back?
dan39 & Shaf made significant comments that are spot-on and nobody could take as offensive.
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Wanderer I never said I hate you, if you read my comments again. I don't even hate what you say, it really is the way that you say it.
Regarding this comment:
"I've spent years copping grief from PC nerds, now that my stance is being rewarded can't I give some of it back?"
No, as this makes you worse than the "PC nerds" as you are doing exactly the same as them and making yourself a hypocrite on top of it! You especially shouldn't be doing it to us as we haven't been telling you to get a PC or to ditch the Mac. Go and do it to some of the people who have given you grief over the years!
I think it would be fair to say that the PC users in this forum are more aware of the Mac than most, and have their reasons for not using one. They also understand why people would use a Mac and therefore don't have a problem with those that do. I personally haven't seen much Mac bashing in this forum at all, mainly PC bashing from people like you.
Shaf, I do agree with most of what you say, but what you also have to realise is that a higher percentage than normal of users here are PRO level. This is what makes Wanderer's attitude towards us rude and annoying. Again I say that I've seen very little, if any, Mac hating (until this discussion *sigh*) on these forums, so why are PC users getting it in the next so much just for their hardware/OS of choice?
Personally I am a heavy user and like to think of myself of a hardcore gamer as well (when I have the time), so the choice of platform is a simple one for me. Having said that, when my wife needed a laptop back in 2001, we went out and took a look at what was on the market and ended up with a G3 iBook. It was the best specced and best build machine on the market at the time for around £1000. Even though OSX wasn't great back then (you have to admit that the first few versions were raw and performed pretty poorly on low amounts of RAM) it was Windows equal in most things, better in some and worse in others.
Also, last year when the Mac Mini came out I bought myself one as I wanted a small machine that I didn't have the urge to upgrade and tinker with. I have only upgraded the memory on it, but other than that I haven't touched it. It not provides a perfect backup machine for me and a great web-email-office workstation for anyone who needs to use it at any time.
So I do see the benefits of Mac hardware as well as software. I just hate Wanderer's rudeness to PC users on this forum and think there is no excuse for it (yes, some of them have been incredibly rude back to him and I don’t think there’s an excuse for that either, although I understand why they have been). I don't even mind his Mac evangelism, he could do it in a polite, thoughtful way and get a LOT more support for it to boot! Please Wanderer, just stop being rude to people who have chosen a different path to you on these forums. If someone here has been rude to you specifically regarding the fact that you use a Mac, then take it up with them via email or whispers, don't pollute the rest of the public forums with this. I say exactly the same to them as well.
Dan, I agree that the Mac Pro is beautifully engineered machine and the hardware configuration is good. I even accept the fact that it's cheaper than the Dell. But for me personally I wouldn't purchase the Dell, and both machines are complete overkill for what I do. I can get faster performance for the things I do building it myself and for less money. With a PC, this is always a choice, not with the Mac. Again, this is just personal preference and I can only say for certainty that this makes the PC better for me, not everyone or even ANYONE else perhaps. Also, please remember that Dell are not the only PC manufacturer on the planet, and not even the best! They are just the biggest.
Reading back through some very old posts though, (2005) I see that it's true, lots of understanding and praising of the Mac platform, both hardware and OS.
Also lots of longing for Macs, and
stupidbasic questions (like does the right mouse button do the same thing on a Mac) which points out some ignorance.I whispered to someone recently...
As for my choice of words, I understand that "written" they are subject to having the intent being interpreted "badly" especially if people are pre-disposed to thinking that way. I say these things all the time in person to friends and complete strangers and they laugh or respond in other positive ways.
It's sad people here are a little humour-challenged and don't seem to understand the use of subtlety and irony in humour as part of a discussion, nor do metaphors go down well. This all seems to translate into Wanderer being a rude and insulting bastard, that's sad because I'm really cute and likeable in person. (I could translate it as you guys being stiff, straight-laced, affectatious and stuck up.)
I can't remember who said he was coming to Melbourne in the New Year, but I do hope he invests in some thick skin and gets his Aussie-Humour inoculation!
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